https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency en a blog about Debian and self-hosting Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:01:00 +0000 PluXml https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1358632912-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1358632912-1 @Ted : Do not misinterpret my writing, I have nothing against GNOME Shell (only I do not use it, I switched to simple tiling window managers years ago). What I disapprove is the fact that, depending on his hardware, one will end with GNOME Shell or GNOME Classic (or whatever it is called) which do not have much in common, conceptually speaking, which is to me a significant design mistake. Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:01:00 +0000 Tanguy https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1358630628-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1358630628-1 Personally, I LOVE the new GNOME Shell! People don't like change in general, so it's not surprising that there's so much controversy & flame wars about GNOME Shell & Unity. But both projects have come a long way & are very stable, & after you give them both a serious shot, you find that they really do get out of your way & allow you to be more productive as they were originally intended. I've tried both Unity, Cinnamon, & GNOME Shell. I've spent more time with Unity & Cinnamon, but just recently discovered that they now have an Ubuntu GNOME Shell Remix, which will hopefully become an officially supported Ubuntu distro, like Kubuntu & Xubuntu are. Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:23:00 +0000 Ted https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1329031916-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1329031916-1 You know, I'm starting to agree with this. Until know GNOME (and Linux as a whole) had a very consistent application design, so you could easily identify with and learn dozens of applications just from one. Given, traditional menus have their faults, but it feels like we'll have inconsistency for a very long time before everyone adopts the new menu layouts, and the vision for this is very much in its adolescence. So it may be worth it in the end, but I can see that we're making a few unnecessary mistakes along the way, and I'm not sure if some of the designers plan on fixing them. I'm talking about things that are obviously inhibiting that Joe consumer notices- not the stuff hardcore Linux users whine about with naivety. Of course, if you use any other DE, you'll have the fallback menus, which are somewhat more consistent with the traditional layout. So if all else fails, you can depend on KDE for consistency, although they need a few more layout designers helping them figure out when white space is necessary. This will all come in time, but I fear we're taking so many simultaneous directions (elementaryOS, Unity, GNOME 3, mobile apps on Tizen, etc.) that we're going to end up with extremely varying HIGs that simply won't look good together. I won't lie, it's starting to make me a little sad, although I'm on the side of the changes GNOME 3 proposes. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:31:00 +0000 Jack https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325230037-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325230037-1 Reading this post, it seems like the categories from the GNOME 2 has been removed. AFAIK, the categories showed in the applications mode is the same that the categories showed in the old days, you can even change them with alacarte. However, this categories section is not used too much. The typical usage is in the first days after the installation of a new distro to know what you have installed. When you set your favorite apps in the dash, or you know the name of the other less frequently used apps, you rarely needs to navegate in the apps categories. Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:27:00 +0000 Juanjo Marin https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325143619-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325143619-1 @Bob: Categories are still available for now. It sounds like they want to get rid of them for some reason I fail to understand, but right now they are still there. Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:26:00 +0000 Tanguy https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325104771-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325104771-1 @emmanuele: I think you missed what I was trying to say. I'm looking for f-spot, and if it's not installed I don't know the other apps that might be installed. Typing "f-s" or scrolling to look for shotwell only works if you know the names of those applications. If you do not, you know nothing about what application you might use to manage photos, other than you'd like to manage photos. Yeah, you know the *category* of application you'd like to use, the same category that worked in a menu system, but is no longer available in the default gnome-shell on a Debian system. Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:39:00 +0000 Bob https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325057882-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325057882-1 @afanen01 : I am a Debian contributor, but not DD just yet. And this is just a personal opinion of course. Although I did not use it — as I said, I switched to not using a desktop at all but only an efficient window manager — I supported GNOME 3 so far. Unfortunately that introduction of applications with mismatching color themes was just enough to prevent me from recommending GNOME anymore. Note that I do not say that GNOME is bad, only that I do not like it, that I think they have made some wrong choices, and that I shall not recommend it the way I did before. I still think that GNOME is useful to some people, otherwise they would not have done that which I criticize! Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:38:00 +0000 Tanguy https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325042666-1 https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article37/gnome3-inconsistency/#c1325042666-1 I assume tanguy is a Debian Developer? Or at least his contributions are important enough that he appears on Planet Debian. Seeing so much bile coming from someone like you makes it doubly painful. Just to balance out the tone of voices, I am expressing my own positive support of Gnome 3 and its current direction. I haven't used a Linux Desktop as enjoyable as Gnome 3 makes it, since when Ubuntu came along and made driver worries history. This is a not so average user speaking. Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:24:00 +0000 afanen01